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标题: 山东的做空压机技术服务的工程师请加入“BOSS俱乐部” [打印本页]

作者: oriuni2010    时间: 2010-7-3 14:57
标题: 山东的做空压机技术服务的工程师请加入“BOSS俱乐部”
本人发出倡议,面对当前国内空压机行业的情况,相信大家也比较清楚了——售后市场的暴利% T* b; `* V& O6 j/ v3 h
这个对行业的发展是不利的,要保证行业的有序竞争,同时让这个行业的参与者能够有更多的收入(和以前及其它行业相同职位比较,空压机行业的收入水平过低),本人希望在山东地区做技术服务的工程师们能够组建本地区及全国的服务团队,每个人会根据自己的情况组建服务于就近地区的空压机用户,不管你是否在职,都有机会获得相应的收益,我们以项目为基础组建服务团队,每个项目大家都是BOSS,参与分成,但要有最资深的担当队长(队长的收益要高一些),因为空压机不是经常损坏的产品,你会有自己的时间做自己的事情
; [' O# Q( V% ~- {) |) X组建高水平的技术服务队伍,降低用户的成本,将行业的利润水平降低,维护行业发展,让自己所得与自己的能力和水平接近,从此不再是老板赚钱的工具,让自己做自己喜欢的事情,这就是我们这个BOSS俱乐部建立的目标
2 E( K% n) }1 N+ H$ r% k目前,本人正在策划过程中,希望大家参与讨论
5 l; {/ N, L& W2 h2 g本人QQ:170329406
作者: oriuni2010    时间: 2010-7-3 15:19
大家可以随心所欲畅谈自己的想法,我们综合考虑一起探讨( i! O8 W! C: C) K
想怎么做都行,最好能说说为什么?
作者: oriuni2010    时间: 2010-7-3 15:35
请大家不要在论坛里透露自己是做什么品牌的,哪家公司的
7 @2 q. m, o* O7 b! E这个论坛内什么人都有,保护好自己. ]+ X% w5 D1 Z& ?" ~6 Y4 ^, L3 T
只谈有建设性的事情4 U5 b7 {" D8 E, y* T1 j
如果合适可以加入我的QQ聊,会深入交谈: X5 |1 K/ g/ [
QQ:170329406
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作者: oriuni2010    时间: 2010-7-4 13:23
自我实现的机会
作者: sdwsf    时间: 2010-7-4 14:40

6 V% x+ N& n8 Z7 D* m. s. N积极响应!
作者: ysjlt    时间: 2010-7-4 18:52
强烈呼应,我在青岛
作者: icel    时间: 2010-7-5 21:37
强烈支持楼主!
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作者: shaw0782    时间: 2010-7-6 08:27
哎职业道德啊
作者: oriuni2010    时间: 2010-7-6 12:35
这个行业还有人出来说“职业道德”!!!!!!!!!!!!& t% P9 O4 V  o
如果你如你所说还有“职业道德”,今天我就没有必要再这里呼吁了8 g5 D$ l* J& h. c+ ]" \
好好看看我的贴子,再考虑一下自己曾经、现在在做什么?如何忽悠客户的?
/ Z( Y# f8 O" i* Q4 i吹!
5 I3 X6 O# ^; X4 c; l: b我这样做是将行业的利润降低,让那些一天到晚在行业里瞎忽悠,去除行业的“搅屎棍”!/ N7 V/ }, ]- o
一个行业的健康发展,关乎这个行业从业者的利益,而不是破坏行业整体利益。我这样做肯定得罪你们这些厂商、代理商,这是可以预见的事情。
+ m* O" e0 W/ E  ?0 J1 j不过你们也不要紧张,我是不是没有职业道德,请你们可以在这个网上和我交流啊!你们敢吗?
, x. i8 v! B1 n& k! g+ [1 Q这个行业本来就充斥着“做鬼喊抓鬼”的人!不把符咒贴在你们脸上,你们怎么会显原型!!!
作者: oriuni2010    时间: 2010-7-6 15:28
这帖子大家来讨论
作者: ygp08    时间: 2010-7-6 16:56
哎职业道德啊
作者: jnfxdh    时间: 2010-7-6 18:36
我加入,15953193511
作者: oriuni2010    时间: 2010-7-6 20:58
谢谢支持
8 `+ E* p/ C# W# W  [) ~$ {请不要再这个论坛里有电话8 N" a2 j& t6 ~( Q4 D* D
加我QQ:1703294067 m! o& B  K$ [; C! O; R! \$ O$ y( I
在那里会有我们山东的技术工程师和销售人员' Y- J% Y1 y( c5 g+ C/ b1 r
我们会互通有无,共同来做% J( m+ V) s, Q+ ^
不过你的手机我留下了
0 F- i8 I4 B& ]会和你联系的
作者: oriuni2010    时间: 2010-7-6 21:05
目前在广泛呼吁山东地区的销售人员和技术工程师加入
% r8 b( V; s+ G数量以确立,我们将成立一个平台0 F# e# |) _  a8 ^' k" O7 P
销售和技术接到单,就可以运作,大家按项目分成,都是BOSS
0 |2 V  b6 w+ \  b* d目前,两方面人员都在不断加入过程中5 x+ h/ h8 p4 ~5 [
希望在3个月左右能够正式成立,开始运行
$ ^7 H; B" R  c" |1 X- T有些项目已经可以执行,不过现阶段还相对少一些,都是目前开发的客户,给就近的技术工程师做6 }% \+ k, e4 S1 v
希望我们的业务成员和技术成员到了一定的数量,就可以在全山东运行了,目前,还不能涵盖所有地区,请山东的同行积极加入
作者: oriuni2010    时间: 2010-7-7 08:02
顶一下,让大家继续能够看得到
作者: oriuni2010    时间: 2010-7-7 08:19
Some thoughts on airend failures
1 F# n" h) W; Q* U- l  NRotary compressor airends fail for a variety of reasons. Most of the causes of premature failure can be avoided. Therefore, we thought it might be appropriate to share some of our observations with you so that you may avoid making the same costly mistakes. 
! s$ K, C  ~: `) c; z6 u6 O1 tOver the years we have had the opportunity to examine many thousands of failed airends that come to us as cores for remanufactured units. After the first thousand or so, even the dullest observer can begin to see certain patterns form:+ V* r0 h' f1 m( [
        Normal Bearing Wear 
4 _1 V9 q$ {7 |6 d$ cThe bearings supplied in rotary screw compressor airends are expected to maintain internal clearances of a few thousandths of an inch (less than half the thickness of a sheet of paper) for many years of continuous service. These bearings do wear out eventually at a rate dependent on many design and environmental variables. Design variables include factors such as number, quality and type of airend bearings (they are not all the same), speed and pressure at which the airend is run, provisions for filtration, coolant capacity and so on. 8 n0 R7 @3 a# v( i3 i. n
Normally compressor manufacturers quote an average airend bearing life expectancy of 40,000 hours or more. This is the equivalent to 5 years or more of 24 hour per day duty. However, to achieve this longevity you must avoid some of the causes of premature failure.&nbsplease return to the previous page for information on these causes.% i! N8 w4 {# V, {/ T5 x$ L. N
Lubrication problems 
, b' s4 r" B- D/ K8 U/ WBy far the most common cause of premature airend failure is contaminated or insufficient lubricant supplied to the airend. The lubricant supplied to the compressor airend serves several very important functions. Most immediate is the removal of heat of compression.
9 U( {; ]: d0 R% Q# b6 OIf this term is new to you, it refers to the heat released when a gas is compressed. As an example, a 100 horsepower rotary screw compressor will typically generate from 350,000 to 400,000 BTUs per hour of running time. % [  T6 [: S" D5 p3 H8 F6 f
Without an adequate flow of lubricant, the airend抯 bearings may hold up for hours or even days. But within a few moments of running time, without the constant flow of lubricant/coolant through the airend, the rotors will become extremely hot, lose their critical discharge end clearances and seize as in the following photo. Notice the bluing of both rotors and dry rotor profiles indicating a total lack of oil flow.! d4 J0 H2 l% s1 x) Z
 
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In this case, both rotors seized to the discharge bearing housing. Notice the sealing strip damage to the male rotor (on right) indicating that the rotor had also contacted the cylinder. Failures of this type are most often due to a complete blockage in the oil flow such as a bad oil stop valve or oil pump (where applicable), plugged oil filter assembly, cooler, airend injection port or oil pipework. 
" l2 U& R: n. G" N( h+ LThis failure of a new airend could have been prevented with some common sense applied during commissioning. The compressor ran several minutes before seizure. During that time, the technician should have noticed that: 
3 }  P3 c! O3 C. C, h1.      This compressor is making very little compressed air. (Lubricant is also required to seal the rotors to each other and to the airend castings.)
# R' y  x. L6 D/ X! t4 v# B2.      There is no hot air blowing from the oil cooler. Normally, within very few minutes a significant amount of heat is released into the cooler by the circulating lubricant.
" E+ K: X! ]6 W9 L3.      The oil pipework is not getting hot since no lubricant is returning to the airend. (A compressor package with a thermostatic bypass valve will circulate lubricant from the airend to the sump through the thermal valve, oil filter and back to the airend until the lubricant reaches operating temperature. Heat should be present throughout this pipework.) 6 Y4 j! \! v, C& a9 v% `" i# Q
4.      The discharge end of my airend is getting very hot. Don抰 rely on oil temp shutdown switches to protect against lubricant starvation. If there is no lubricant flow, hot oil temp switches and even some hot air temp switches may not function properly.+ W: W  U& o  z8 r5 H
5.      It would also appear that this airend was never primed with lubricant at startup. It would likely not have prevented this catastrophic failure, but it may have given the technician a bit more time to locate the problem.# T, ?! M4 A* C- [& F' c
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Contaminated lubricant claims more airends prematurely than any other cause. By their nature air compressors ingest airborne contaminants every minute they are operating. While inlet filters help slow the process, they usually only catch particles over 20- 30 microns, allowing anything smaller to pass by. If the filters plug, dirty air can suck past the inlet filter gaskets pulling larger debris inside. Below are photos that show two different machines with damage likely caused by debris in the lubricant.
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3 e6 s" l% I5 `! S% R8 _& w  NYou must not assume that your lubricant will remain clean for those advertised 8000-hour oil change intervals. Most oil filters have some sort of pressure bypass designed into them to prevent oil starvation should the filter element become plugged. Usually these operate at from 15 to 30 psig of pressure drop. We have seen dusty installations where this occurred consistently within a week of filter replacement. Oil analysis and careful monitoring of compressor vital signs must accompany extended oil change intervals.? 
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' `( p5 b) l4 s, k) m3 B; tThe photographs above show the dramatic effects of contaminated lubricant on the thrust bearings of a large rotary screw airend. The spalling shown in the left photo can eventually give way to the splitting of the rolling elements or balls as shown on the right.  
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Varnishing is another problem that has plagued many users of rotary screw and vane compressors since their development. Compressor lubricants are subjected to very harsh operating conditions due to the internal temperature spikes within airends. (Your bulk oil temperature gauge may read 180 degrees F, but temperatures in the airend can be much higher in certain spots.? Mechanical shearing of complex molecules used in oil additive packages, and the constant mixing with contaminants in the inlet air all contribute to the breakdown of your compressor lubricant. , v0 n! l2 C; _& H- M+ d
?/span>A well known rule of thumb tells us that? 揻or every 20 degrees above the 憂ormal?operating temperature a compressor must run, the lubricant change intervals should be cut in half.?span style="mso-spacerun: yes">?The photographs that follow show a Sullair airend that had failed due to severe varnishing. (Please note, we have seen this type of failure in all brands of airends. It is a problem in application and maintenance, not in design.) In the foreground of the picture on the left showing the varnish buildup on the input shaft and gear assembly, note the solid clump of varnished oil standing on end. Varnish had built up a half inch thick in several places, totally plugging some oil injection ports.
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Could this problem have been avoided? Certainly!?At the risk of sounding simplistic?o:p>
/ k% L( @: X' Z& K. J( @' O; VTrust your nose! When checking or adding lubricant as recommended in the owners manual, take time to sniff the cork so to speak. Even in early stages of buildup, varnishing begins to give the compressor oil a burnt smell. If your lubricant smells burnt, change it. Be careful to electrically isolate and relieve all pressure from the compressor before checking the oil or removing the filler plug?or your cork may pop!  
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For those who are not the hands on, smelly- touchy- feely mechanic types, we would highly recommend regular oil analysis. Not only will it indicate the high acid number and increased viscosity associated with a varnish problem before it becomes severe, but it can also point out several other less easily diagnosed problems. More about that later. ; ^- U6 ]: }: _4 x. G" w
Of major concern to us in the remanufacturing business is the effect this varnishing has also had on the other components of the compressor package. It is well accepted that even small amounts of varnish left in the oil system will accelerate more varnish formation in the future. All components coming in contact with compressor oil would need thorough cleaning, including the oil cooler, sump, oil lines, thermal valve, oil filter assembly, oil stop valve or oil pump where applicable, and so on. A devarnishing agent may also be added to the fresh oil at startup. However, be prepared with more fresh lubricant and filters, since any varnish deposits left in the oil system will break loose and collect in the filters causing them to plug up and begin the cycle over again.  2 A( o6 p' i) l! {6 F7 f
Lack of Oil Supply2 j* e2 l. V. T* Y; m9 n+ C
The airend in your compressor package wants very little from its owner. It needs air to compress, some place to put it, and most important, an adequate supply of clean, relatively cool oil to seal, lubricate and remove heat. Your airend doesn抰 directly care if the oil sump is topped off or if the cooler had a 12-degree approach to ambient the day you bought it.  9 u) Y2 @, a! ~* s
What matters most immediately is the temperature and pressure of the oil at the point where it is injected into the airend, downstream of the cooler, thermal valve pipework and filters today.  0 k, e5 @1 H% T1 Y" d( O' P% P/ b" P
Perhaps the most frequent question we ask of technicians attempting to solve airend related problems such as overheating, low air delivery or noise is, 揥hat抯 the oil injection pressure??Normally, on airends with no oil pump, this would track about 30 psig below sump pressure at full load, however not all brands are the same. Airend manufacturers use different size injection ports and points of injection to find the most efficient combination.  5 t. u$ l0 x2 m5 \8 L8 U
If there were a proper amount of oil supplied to the airend you would normally see a 30 to 40 degree temperature rise from oil injection temperature to airend discharge temps. Low oil injection pressure will cause that differential to increase considerably. If the pressure is low, find out why, chasing the pressure drops back through the oil filter housing, cooler, pipework, thermal valve and sump. Yes, we have seen blockages at the oil outlets of the sump.2 E/ i' _: c- F; B7 Y' L
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Drive Related Failures and Broken Shafts  P. m1 N( N9 [* W- E- o
Many OEM airend manufacturers include disclaimers in their warranty statement for failures due to torsional or drive problems. Our experience would indicate that this includes a fairly large percentage of premature failures.
( E/ I  c4 e# M0 fWe have included shaft breakage with drive related failures as a broken shaft is usually the result of another drive problem, rather than the cause. 
# p' ?, C( _/ y0 c+ g9 U! O4 U+ d( I; |Perhaps the most common failure of this type that we see is shown in the photo below. In this very common scenario, the drive end bearing on the male rotor has spun on the shaft, causing a catastrophic failure. In looking at this shaft one might question the term 揷atastrophic? But the real damage has occurred inside the airend as the inner race of this bearing continued to spin, cutting into the softer shaft material a mere .015?as it runs.- L- c* ~, k4 {) ]7 u5 F# n7 o
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Because the rotor to cylinder radial clearance on this machine is normally .0025 to .003 inches, we would find that the sealing strips would have been scrubbed off from rubbing against the cylinder for half the length of the rotor, requiring their replacement before reassembly.    3 B) c: r: v( P' |
But, what lead up to this failure? What caused this bearing to spin while the thrust bearings still look new?  Perhaps most directly, HEAT!  When this bearing was originally mounted on this shaft it was very likely heated up to 250 degrees F to expand the inner race to overcome the light .0003?to .0007?interference fit commonly used to hold it in place. (We have also seen some manufacturers use line on line or even slight clearance fits to speed their assembly). The combination of high belt loads, high rotational speeds, and perhaps marginal lubrication can combine to expand the inner race sufficiently to break its grip on the shaft. Once the bearing begins to loosen, it is doomed to fail. Occasionally, debris in the lubricant will become trapped in the rolling elements of a bearing, causing it to 搒kid? The friction from this skidding roller quickly heats up the inner race with much the same result. If not caught early in the failure process, the combination of weakened shaft and dramatically increased drag on the rotor as it scuffs the cylinder may eventually cause the shaft to snap as seen on the next photograph.   1 I/ q: z; `4 N& s% D0 p+ ]- J
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This 127mm belt driven rotor displays burnt spots on the inlet end of all four lobes indicating considerable thermal growth. (There is normally quite a lot of space between the drive end of the rotor and inlet bearing housing.) The relative lack of debris damage to the rotor profile points to a sudden rather than protracted failure. The consistent sealing strip height would seem to rule out a gradual bearing failure on either end of the rotor. The dry varnish stains point to oil starvation as a possible culprit. 
! a( P( x* G' J* ~$ yAlthough perhaps not the cause of this failure, the inlet bearing surface of this rotor had apparently been welded during a previous rebuild.   2 z2 c, _  ^& ]! V
We no longer weld most drive end bearing surfaces on belt driven airends, finding that installation of a replacement heat treated shaft offers much greater reliability under harsh conditions.   5 ?5 g. l; k) t- @" a$ X

# W/ b' ]" s/ k: E% \7 zAre belt drives a problem? NO, but overly tight belts are. To quote a well known German manufacturer: 
作者: oriuni2010    时间: 2010-7-7 08:20
图片不好上传啊,文档中不好插图,我再专门发图片
作者: fwkg    时间: 2010-7-7 08:46
我也来了,积极参加
作者: klsummit    时间: 2010-7-7 09:14
山东市场大
作者: oriuni2010    时间: 2010-7-7 09:39
大家的联系方式请留在
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请不要将联系方式留在这个论坛6 F) {% a2 c; d/ }& J! ^. \- F
各位的联系方式我都做了认真的记录,成立之前会及时通知各位) h8 q) m  Y8 A& Q9 d! d! w3 x  |0 s
也会在这里不定期发布事情进展程度1 w5 L" o" o6 }, s/ V1 l$ D. H
谢谢同行的支持
作者: loading    时间: 2010-7-7 09:52
~~大有风云际会之感
作者: oriuni2010    时间: 2010-7-7 10:03
现在将这个“BOSS俱乐部”的情况和大家分享一下:
+ L1 c) [. S' ?* r$ C我们这个“BOSS俱乐部”成立的宗旨,已经在上面列出,下面和大家讨论一下,基本的运营情况(还会有修正的,根据各位成员的建设性的建议):
# }+ g$ S% M: L% H$ j8 z我们这个平台是努力将行业内的销售人员,和技术工程师组织起来,不管是否在职,我们会根据我们合作的项目所在地,组织就近的技术工程师就近服务,每个项目参与者都将获得收益,每个人都是BOSS。% I  |7 S+ O& V0 i! a) p
平台是成立的一家专门公司,提供物流、资金流、财务等,每一个成员都将在绝对保护个人隐私的情况下,签订合作关系(含利润分成规定),明确责任、义务、利益,和结算时间,平台将根据订单情况,提前通知我们的当地成员做好准备,平台组织发货后收款。项目完结,按约定的条款分配利润。& d  s! w, j& X- ?( Y) Z5 N: |
所有成员都会得到技术提升的机会,因为我们会经常讨论技术问题和行业问题,大家都会相互促进提高,所以解决客户的技术问题,大家不用担心,我们平台里有非常资深专业的工程师团队。
6 }7 ]( ]  L. e2 j这样大家都会获得相对较高的收益,解决现在销售人员能接到订单但解决不了技术的问题,技术工程师得不到订单但拥有技术,大家都得不到与自己贴近的收益的问题,可以获得的收益却得不到。7 }4 O/ g0 O& @. V  j+ b; [
同时,行业内部现在比较混乱,我们都是行业里面的人,行业的好坏直接关系我们切身的利益,我们希望行业的发展是平稳有序的,二不是存在高暴利,暴利就意味着有很多相关和不相关的人都疯狂地进来,将行业利润降低到合适的水平,不仅客户得利,我们在行业里也可以获得长久的发展。- }, Z0 ]5 }+ c' B2 e
大家都是行业里面的人,相对比较了解行业内部存在的问题,不管是销售人员和技术服务人员,我们希望大家能够组织起来,维护我们自身的利益。大多数这个行业里资深的同行,几乎都来自于大陆市场上主要的洋品牌,这些洋品牌为什么在我们大陆做得这么好,是因为我们的销售人员和技术人员的努力,可事到如今,我们为之奋斗的行业,从中大多数人又获得了什么呢?6 r3 j6 X# \6 a- i- J8 U$ ?
是时候大家团结起来,一起做事情的时候了!
作者: oriuni2010    时间: 2010-7-7 11:01
请大家介绍,相互认识,合作共赢
作者: oriuni2010    时间: 2010-7-7 13:35
再顶上去,大家讨论
作者: oriuni2010    时间: 2010-7-7 13:50
天气热了,待在房子里的人多了,论坛里会员数量在增加嘛
作者: atxmtb    时间: 2010-7-7 13:54
进来看一下, 留名备用
作者: oriuni2010    时间: 2010-7-7 14:47
请继续关注,只要我有空,一定会在网上,一直顶下去,大家随时加入我的QQ:170329406或者EMAIL:oriuni@163点com
作者: oriuni2010    时间: 2010-7-7 14:50
天气热了,大家把以前的帖都浏览了一下,有事没事,说两句
作者: oriuni2010    时间: 2010-7-7 15:30
今天的人真不少
作者: oriuni2010    时间: 2010-7-11 13:38
出差,好几天没过来了
作者: oriuni2010    时间: 2010-7-13 00:08
空气压缩机BOSS俱乐部( d, X* a; Z- V6 E8 f
成立的原因( H' |' A  l! r
目前行业非常混乱,由于售后服务市场暴利的存在,让很多相关和不相关的人都进入到这个行业,以假乱真、以次充好、不择手段等等形形色色的各种供应商充斥整个市场,极大地扰乱行业秩序,损害客户的利益,损害行业参与者的利益。
, T. k4 T$ `7 M( r' p4 W+ i5 q由于暴利的存在,进入者增多,使得行业从业人员数量大大增加的同时,收入却在减少,只有少部分老板获得暴利所得,广大从业者并没有从中获得相应的利益。
1 [. l* n) @( p广大从业人员由于本身工作性质,没有便利条件整合行业资源为自己所用,浪费了很多机会:业务人员一般善于商业,而对技术不是太懂;技术人员一般善于技术,而对商业不太懂。当业务人员接到定单时没有一个平台来实现其带来的价值,而让本应该获得利益白白浪费了;技术人员本身具有技术能力,但没有办法接到定单,拥有的技能没能最大化转化为属于自己的价值。这个平台的成立就可以解决这个问题。( X& [2 U1 u# B4 ~" I
中国大陆空压机(除活塞机)用户由于在国际空压机和后起的国内空压机组装商的错误的引导下,已经失去了自己应该具有的能力,大多数用户已经变得很盲目,日常维护成本很高,但又对一些事情将信将疑,由于害怕承担责任、由于怕麻烦、由于长期被供应商灌输一些非真实的说法(因为整个行业都在这么向用户说差不多的话)、由于大多数中国工厂的技术人员对产品了解的太少等等原因,在全行业空压机(除活塞机)用户蒙受巨大的损失。0 n+ Q* P2 P& j7 s3 y
成立的宗旨) l9 m/ ?( a' H7 y: h( g3 y7 ~
维护行业秩序,降低行业暴利,提高成员收入,降低用户成本" Z" k* p7 @5 }4 c# v/ i
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不追求利润最大化,追求利益永久化! n: c) ^$ u+ N' Z2 w2 w1 H
需要什么人加入& A  ?0 r! S: P5 _! D8 N+ T
行业内的业务人员和技术人员,空压机用户。  Z. y. |4 T5 y3 {+ A, p
如何运营
3 C; W- V" s4 N7 @5 I2 [+ q一旦两方面的人员数量达到可以运营的最低要求,或者在某个地区的人员数量达到要求,我们将立即成立一个属于我们自己的平台公司,来负责商务、后勤、财务、客户服务中心等工作。; `8 o$ [% b8 `. w4 h8 u
·商务,合同文书、货物流动通知等等相关内容
+ ^- F: J" k7 U* Z·后勤,收货、发货、退货、库管等等物流相关内容% J' q6 |1 d6 d- }/ Y: a
·财务,发票、帐目核算、报税、利润结算等等相关内容
% I0 w/ E# |" }( X: B·客户服务中心
/ x/ c; c- R% O( U◎        根据项目所在地、项目时间等等通知就近技术人员是否可以及时到位,◎        及落实具体相关人员当场计划(特别是在职技术工程师无法抽身时,◎        客户服◎        务中心确认后,◎        将找下一级较近的技术人员去服◎        务,◎        如果还是没有时间,◎        那么会通知平台固定技术工程师前往项目服◎        务地点解决客户的问题),◎        通知成员平台的新规章制度、新政策、临时事务公告等等。
, P2 V! D' r# y; P: M  `◎        客户服◎        务中心,◎        在安排相关人员时永远以项目为中心,◎        按照“就近原则”,◎        每一个、每一次执行项目时,◎        都遵循上述原则。
5 Y3 A6 r$ `, Y1 X/ P$ X4 t·平台公司提供资金、产品、服务等等一切与业务相关的事情。
+ m  r! w  ^0 ?. {3 f$ ?0 U8 c" f! D·平台公司提供技术支援与学习培训,业务咨询等等。2 ]1 u/ @( \6 s. }
·平台公司提供主机大修、系统评估、节能改造、自动化控制等等技术支持,及商务招标、谈判支持。! m/ R" E$ _$ S+ w
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·永远以项目为中心,按劳分配。+ u# K. g9 W" ^
·永远以项目为中心,根据约定的内容进行利润分成,每一个参与者都获得应得的利益,都是自己的BOSS。
$ Y9 G5 n' G8 u: y1 ^加入条件
1 H7 g8 L8 m" s& f, D' H不管你是否在职,不管你是业务人员还是技术人员都可以参与,技术人员的要求是必须对行业内的主要品牌的产品结构性能、基本故障排除、系统结构等非常熟悉,拥有良好的动手解决问题的能力,业务人员必须实事求是地和客户说清楚合同条款(平台对不同的品牌的零部件的性能和理论使用寿命、承诺使用寿命有详细的规定,业务人员不得超过平台的相关条款,夸大宣传,错误引导客户)。
: h9 y' l% L  P  w' `5 c% w所有加入成员,在绝对保密的情况下,与平台公司签定合作协议,协议内容包括:应该遵守的一些规章制度、合同的条款的规定、项目利润分配规定、项目利润结算时间、项目任务工作流程、项目人事安排规定等等。6 \8 D/ w. C+ {9 i! E: {, G
请大家一起努力来考虑可能存在的问题,及如何解决
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作者: oriuni2010    时间: 2010-7-13 16:25
将发布最新进展情况
作者: oriuni2010    时间: 2010-7-14 21:44
谢谢各位同行的支持,现将最新情况向大家汇报一下) p3 Y# E/ p9 T/ _
目前加入的同行有:
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江苏   2位
2 d& a3 J: O( H东北   2位! H( c5 ~8 b2 o' ?( n
北京   1位" U+ K9 {. L( c4 m/ `
数量还很不够,希望有更多的同行加入4 }: g- b) z% j4 _4 K! a1 ~
QQ:170329406 E-mailriuni@163点com
作者: LT3046    时间: 2010-7-14 22:18
楼主是最大的赢家!!!!!
作者: oriuni2010    时间: 2010-7-15 08:35
有意思* ^, D- h( _( g! A. T3 M
我们这台,还没有搭好. q  F4 Z9 H8 c" U3 N) C1 f. b5 V
利润分配机制也没有公布,就有哥们出来拆台了,你急什么啊?( m8 z7 W" ^; T4 N+ Y
说出个理由先?
作者: oriuni2010    时间: 2010-7-15 15:08
又有新加入者了,谢谢支持!
5 w5 T3 G& k- m! `请继续关注,有进展情况会及时发布
9 A4 J- j+ [2 E- c核心内容只发到参与者邮箱
作者: oriuni2010    时间: 2010-7-16 00:09
AC空压机全系列产品说明
作者: oriuni2010    时间: 2010-7-16 18:19
山东同行已经增加了数量,业务和技术人员都在增加,上期汇报的山东的是技术人员
' W* x- h9 N! Q. N, ^% M以后我会在这个论坛上每周末发布一次最新进展情况
作者: oriuni2010    时间: 2010-7-18 19:03
目前加入的成员主要来自以下地区(山东以外的就暂不公布了):6 I. z9 t* ]0 o  \  q7 f
济南、青岛、烟台、淄博、潍坊,还有几个没有注明所在地区的
作者: gdkongyaji    时间: 2010-7-20 18:18
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作者: oriuni2010    时间: 2010-7-22 13:00
本人在济南
' R1 @- K% B  @' b+ T# p谢谢关注
作者: klsummit    时间: 2010-7-22 13:19
谢谢各位同行的支持,现将最新情况向大家汇报一下
( _  K' e* `9 [& e4 F5 g. f) U. h目前加入的同行有:
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3 d, o' j- x8 {% s江苏   2位4 W9 M  X* i, M/ [6 n7 Y
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oriuni2010 发表于 2010-7-14 21:44

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: i6 r- v# E! t: z    打工的能加入吗?我在润滑油厂家打工。
作者: oriuni2010    时间: 2010-7-23 15:43
回#42
" X# y) w0 h- U' u+ f9 U我们这个平台只提供给空压机行业内的以下人员:0 B( j! ]. W, s) F% v( W
1 空压机业务人员
' o% ^# q. ?9 P* \9 M% j2 空压机技术工程师
) @) i* g7 j6 b8 c" S+ k3 各厂家的设备主管
作者: oriuni2010    时间: 2010-7-23 15:45
明天整理一下,公布最新进展情况
作者: wzgbup    时间: 2010-7-27 10:19
好主义,支持
作者: 凌空一剑    时间: 2010-7-27 10:38
不知道,楼主是哪行的,销售,技术?
作者: oriuni2010    时间: 2010-7-29 14:40
不意思,对不起大家,上期没能及时公布,临时有事情耽误了!; j2 F9 ?0 z" q1 B- e0 V0 r
几天刚回来,晚上整理一下,晚上就发布最新进展( E; \4 n8 j" q% ^. B
谢谢各位同行的大力支持
作者: oriuni2010    时间: 2010-7-29 14:41
上面写错了,应是:今天刚回来。
作者: oriuni2010    时间: 2010-7-29 15:53
山东这日子天气炎热,兄弟姐妹们多注意防暑降温,这个天气也太热了!
( j* q2 I. k$ V) q" a7 V兄弟我刚从中国的“非洲”回来,发现济南的天有过之而无不及啊!3 H3 m$ [' }0 L* a

7 b- w2 Q8 f3 q. X  Z. Y另外,再回#46
5 G- k) A. q& C# H- J8 q兄弟我什么都干,只要和空气压缩系统有关。
作者: shaw0782    时间: 2010-7-29 16:10
什么都干,真厉害的哦
作者: oriuni2010    时间: 2010-7-29 16:13
你也不是
& B* T/ U. w7 D# N  f' G什么都干,真挺厉害的哦
作者: oriuni2010    时间: 2010-7-29 16:59
最新情况如下:
* }  W9 v4 z( `5 r* x山东地区,新增加人员来自——济宁,目前泰安、聊城、荷泽、日照、德州、枣庄等地区还没有相关人员加入,希望有该地区的同行朋友相互介绍,谢谢!
$ b# |6 h- k) n7 z济南  4位7 r, M4 v8 ~: T1 H
青岛  2位
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* u& O& r8 @& f2 X济宁  1位! @" a0 i4 W+ |7 {" R
淄博  1位% D) m$ K0 s1 R7 }% {
潍坊  1位/ ~  ]9 ^: [1 e; G: w

+ x; l1 a( X/ |8 R( |其他地区暂不公布,江苏地区加入的同行数量多一些!
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7 m. {, V( o+ Y7 |% Y谢谢同行兄弟姐妹们的支持,继续努力,尽早促成这件事情!) H1 M' l$ f4 {( U' ]% e
QQ:170329406
作者: oriuni2010    时间: 2010-7-29 18:16
欢迎同行来 找茬
/ U: N, o& {. s3 p- |1 ^热烈欢迎啊!3 M6 ]. c& _) t4 D# {5 E1 z% ^: X
特别希望 山东这边所谓的“做主机大修”的人来 找茬,你敢找,我就敢回,一定回
作者: LT3046    时间: 2010-7-29 18:40
欢迎同行来 找茬0 J5 d' ?) \, J
热烈欢迎啊!
5 C( {0 M, M) d* G/ B特别希望 山东这边所谓的“做主机大修”的人来 找茬,你敢找,我就敢回,一 ...5 ^- ]3 M% o3 W
oriuni2010 发表于 2010-7-29 18:16

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    什么意思?& A3 V/ K2 \6 N( q0 e
                顶您一贴--成了“找茬”;有意思吗?) ], }" V) H- B, [$ Y8 E, T

! v  W4 G. B5 j& ]0 O% }                             希望看明白咱的意思!!!      
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" o8 p. V4 \( s/ @' R) s: Q                在这圈里混了十来年专做主机大修也非浪得虚名!   
0 k' E( c3 G8 ?/ d            希望就此打住!!!!!
作者: oriuni2010    时间: 2010-7-29 20:18
哥们,你急什么啊?
$ [9 V! j. {  S+ q, O! C5 ?3 ]找茬 是好事情啊,什么是进步,沟通,讨论,争论,然后成,不是吗?
$ I' ?# o9 s* s( `7 x7 X只有不同意见才能让大家明白什么是事实,真理永远是经得起时间的锤炼的!% t! i+ ~9 B1 e6 [* ]
如果没有了争论,没有人来找茬,何来进步?# }3 M4 X0 |6 R1 w5 Y

5 M* m! n4 j+ V' H% q' J; h. i你的意思我非常明白,相信大家来此一游的人,都能看得明白,大家是不是?: F2 A; \" m& J9 b
只不过有许多同行不愿意,在这里留下印记,都加入我的QQ了。
7 Z* S9 {5 A/ w- s1 ~; N9 m5 u兄弟不嫌弃,可以加入我的QQ:170329406,恭候大驾光临!
作者: LT3046    时间: 2010-7-29 22:29
哥们,你急什么啊?: ?% e  {& |- z% w+ C
找茬 是好事情啊,什么是进步,沟通,讨论,争论,然后成,不是吗?( Z! ~  \! Y. b. S& D
只有不同意见才能 ...
( u+ n, J1 ~) [oriuni2010 发表于 2010-7-29 20:18

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- I+ \4 H/ {- A+ s& L    没有误会就好!  “找茬”不好;争论才利于发展!0 j7 Q2 G0 w8 L8 A( m2 @
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             的确这个圈子有点乱;对于一些蒙骗客户-----以次充好,瞎忽悠的做法也看不习惯;
9 U! h, e' L, C2 e  ]; n“乱世出英雄”祝您一帆风顺------------!+ z( y% _7 k" U8 P

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        老朽不会用QQ;且打字太慢;故而远离QQ!!!         欢迎合作----互惠共赢!!!
作者: oriuni2010    时间: 2010-7-30 09:27
哈哈哈哈! Z4 B) I4 Y" Q5 K0 ]
愿意维护行业发展的同行都是朋友!
作者: abc1371964954    时间: 2010-7-30 11:50
请加我吧!QQ:1371964958.
作者: oriuni2010    时间: 2010-7-30 11:58
好的9 V( _" L( S- D4 S1 M; d: j" g
谢谢支持
作者: oriuni2010    时间: 2010-8-1 12:37
空压机行业已经是乱像丛生,门槛低,许多“江湖郎中”流窜至此,希望大家一方面提高门槛,一方面严格自律,同时也要揭露某些不良的“骗局”
作者: oriuni2010    时间: 2010-8-14 16:37
此帖近来受关注不多了( c( I+ ?9 T$ K) n$ P/ D- B
主要是我差不多有半个月没上来了) A. ~/ Z" }" w4 P4 B
谢谢兄弟姐妹们的支持
作者: oriuni2010    时间: 2010-8-20 17:04
谢谢朋友们的支持!6 c! {) I, g$ Y" _, [* w' s  {2 {
谢谢苏州朋友的关注
6 b, M: ~2 ]1 z* P, I: Q* p% Y现在山东这边新加入的地区有荷泽地区的,鲁西北还没有啊
; n  U' m1 P4 N0 M) p山东地区还是胶东地区的经济不错,鲁南的经济还是跟不上啊
作者: oriuni2010    时间: 2010-8-23 13:46
好啊; K0 e! @1 X! Y
继续
作者: taiyang3    时间: 2010-8-25 09:55
非常支持楼主,覆盖到河南算我一个啊!
作者: oriuni2010    时间: 2010-8-26 18:38
#64
1 s, `2 r3 ^# O+ e+ H- }谢谢关注雨与支持!
: ^& k8 W+ m2 V1 _" N# q3 c7 k如果有机会不久就可以你合作,我在山东这边有个客户在河南有分厂7 V* p# W" \) F1 Z' p
不知道朋友兄弟现在在河南哪里发财啊?
作者: oriuni2010    时间: 2010-8-29 18:39
本人疏忽,没有把QQ里面的内容看清楚(实话说是自己平时没有去深入了解QQ里面的内容),今天才发现有40多位同行加入进来,虽然有一些不是山东本地的,但我首先向大家道歉,对不起大家!
- X( q1 p4 Y! t  D( p# k虽然有很多同行都是身经百战的高手自己在经营者自己的事业,但并不影响我们之间的合作,再次谢谢你们的关注与支持!同行之间协调发展,是可以共赢的。
+ H6 O0 Q/ u7 D' `) s* G2 J) k我们也应该加快进度,让这个平台早日运行起来,不管怎么样我会在第一时间通知朋友们。8 w$ z, S8 W5 s% }! {7 h! Q. v
QQ:170329406  E-mail:oriuni@163点com
作者: oriuni2010    时间: 2010-9-5 19:33
山东真的不错,让我又见到AC的低压空气压缩机. N3 V1 n+ b4 G5 C
不过同时要感谢无锡兄弟的帮忙啊, u+ j; G9 }8 h( b
以后AC的ZA/ZE系列基本可以搞定了,下面找点离心机玩玩
* k, R3 ]* V3 jIHI怎么样?可以试一试小日本的东西,有兴趣的山东朋友可以一起来玩玩离心机啊
作者: oriuni2010    时间: 2010-9-11 13:13
山东这边有和胜利油田有关系的朋友吗?4 ^9 j; M/ n+ @2 H! {
可以合作,具体面谈
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作者: wanghz    时间: 2010-9-15 14:57
这个建议很有想法。我是螺杆机的,需要吗?
作者: oriuni2010    时间: 2010-9-15 20:44
不知你在哪里啊9 N1 c; U: l& j8 T# P
可以加入QQ聊
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作者: seanna    时间: 2010-9-26 13:46
呵呵,希望在上海也能整一个!
作者: oriuni2010    时间: 2010-9-26 19:11
上海的市场就不去了,就让你们发展吧( M4 A  i+ t; A" l0 w: D8 v
有机会我们也可以合作啊,总部在上海,工厂在山东的,我们就可以合作了啊
作者: chinausers    时间: 2010-10-12 20:43
想法挺好但实施太艰难,能把自己的客户服务好,为公司赚到钱,自己也能赚点小钱,就够生活的 不想掺和了
作者: chinausers    时间: 2010-10-12 20:44
回复 14# oriuni2010
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3 q7 q# h, s: x1 j* h6 ?5 p+ g    我告诉你没个3-5年你是形成不了这种机制的 ,你还3个月 呵呵 ,!
作者: oriuni2010    时间: 2010-10-13 20:53
我本来就没有打算立刻就能实现,可以有限范围内实现。' a( H4 ^5 D# G% a( C) D7 u: S) H
我告诉你#74的,不要把你认为做不了的事情,也来认为别人做不了,哈哈哈!
1 [$ z( w6 N" X7 l4 h7 L1 }$ _3个月,我告诉你是看加入者情况,是否可以成立公司平台,我再告诉你我们新公司马上就要注册,目前可以合作的人员已经60-70位了,虽然有的不在山东地区,但依然不影响我们合作。
* |5 X/ ^% l' k5 D! l你这样说:只能说你的思想OUT了
作者: chinausers    时间: 2010-10-13 22:15
呵呵,是啊我也感觉到有点跟不上时代了 ,社会发展真是太快了。可能在我的思想中还是太过于保守吧
作者: chinausers    时间: 2010-10-13 22:15
呵呵,是啊我也感觉到有点跟不上时代了 ,社会发展真是太快了。可能在我的思想中还是太过于保守吧
作者: oriuni2010    时间: 2010-10-13 22:51
不管社会发展多快,也不要管别人怎么发的财,怎么的红,只要坚持走正道,自然有属于你自己的天地。
' m9 y/ Y1 s. h. Y7 V. O0 `我到不知道你所谓的“太过于保守”是怎么样个保守?保守也有好的一面:就是坚持。任何事情都有两面性,保守一点有什么不好,至少有参与的机会,玩大了,可能连参与的机会都没有!




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